"Any military which can claim ... that al-Qa'ida is on the run is not capable of carrying out anything on the scale of 9/11"

robert fisk writes in the independent, for which he works as the middle east correspondent...

My final argument – a clincher, in my view – is that the Bush administration has screwed up everything – militarily, politically diplomatically – it has tried to do in the Middle East; so how on earth could it successfully bring off the international crimes against humanity in the United States on 11 September 2001?

ah... but wait... there's more...

I am increasingly troubled at the inconsistencies in the official narrative of 9/11. It's not just the obvious non sequiturs: where are the aircraft parts (engines, etc) from the attack on the Pentagon? Why have the officials involved in the United 93 flight (which crashed in Pennsylvania) been muzzled? Why did flight 93's debris spread over miles when it was supposed to have crashed in one piece in a field? Again, I'm not talking about the crazed "research" of David Icke's Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster – which should send any sane man back to reading the telephone directory.

I am talking about scientific issues. If it is true, for example, that kerosene burns at 820C under optimum conditions, how come the steel beams of the twin towers – whose melting point is supposed to be about 1,480C – would snap through at the same time? (They collapsed in 8.1 and 10 seconds.) What about the third tower – the so-called World Trade Centre Building 7 (or the Salmon Brothers Building) – which collapsed in 6.6 seconds in its own footprint at 5.20pm on 11 September? Why did it so neatly fall to the ground when no aircraft had hit it? The American National Institute of Standards and Technology was instructed to analyse the cause of the destruction of all three buildings. They have not yet reported on WTC 7. Two prominent American professors of mechanical engineering – very definitely not in the "raver" bracket – are now legally challenging the terms of reference of this final report on the grounds that it could be "fraudulent or deceptive".

Journalistically, there were many odd things about 9/11. Initial reports of reporters that they heard "explosions" in the towers – which could well have been the beams cracking – are easy to dismiss. Less so the report that the body of a female air crew member was found in a Manhattan street with her hands bound. OK, so let's claim that was just hearsay reporting at the time, just as the CIA's list of Arab suicide-hijackers, which included three men who were – and still are – very much alive and living in the Middle East, was an initial intelligence error.

But what about the weird letter allegedly written by Mohamed Atta, the Egyptian hijacker-murderer with the spooky face, whose "Islamic" advice to his gruesome comrades – released by the CIA – mystified every Muslim friend I know in the Middle East? Atta mentioned his family – which no Muslim, however ill-taught, would be likely to include in such a prayer. He reminds his comrades-in-murder to say the first Muslim prayer of the day and then goes on to quote from it. But no Muslim would need such a reminder – let alone expect the text of the "Fajr" prayer to be included in Atta's letter.

Let me repeat. I am not a conspiracy theorist. Spare me the ravers. Spare me the plots. But like everyone else, I would like to know the full story of 9/11, not least because it was the trigger for the whole lunatic, meretricious "war on terror" which has led us to disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan and in much of the Middle East. Bush's happily departed adviser Karl Rove once said that "we're an empire now – we create our own reality". True? At least tell us.

do ya suppose serious journalism folks are starting to pay attention...?

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The "Tipping Point" We Missed?

ProfMarcus directed me to a video so I could put my engineering eyeball on evidence regarding the WTC collapse.
Like the Scholars for 911 Truth & Justice, these people are professionals in the fields of Architecture, Structural Engineering, and Controlled Demolitions.

I can say now, after reviewing hundreds of technical reports, videos, and eyewitness accounts that in my professional opinion the aircraft damage and ensuing fires did not lead to a spontaneous collapse of all three of these buildings. In fact, I think there is currently enough evidence to prove that none of the three spontaneously imploded as officially reported. This video puts that information into plain language, unlike my previous post which was necessarily technical.

This is a video, as painful as it is to watch, that we all need to see.
From Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth.
I still will not speculate as to whether our government in any capacity participated directly or indirectly in this destruction. However, our government HAS actively engaged in a cover up and disruption of any further investigation of how the ultimate destruction of these buildings occurred and who was responsible for their ultimate demise.
I know it was terrorists who flew planes into the building, but had they not collapsed, thousands of people would still be alive today. Maybe the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would have occurred anyway, but many of those folks in the Trade Center would still be with us.

This would have been the tipping point for any American had the truth been revealed by people we trusted.
Today, we know how politicised our government agencies have become. It takes no imagination at all to realize we have been mislead about the greatest tragedy to strike our nation since Pearl Harbor.
As if the attack on 911 isn't bad enough, that tragic day has been used as the basis for war and the attack on our rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution.

I submit that there is a third war taking place. It is, like the one before, a "Cold War". It is a war of fear, brinkmanship, cover ups, covert ops, and unreported casualties.
It is the war of the Government Of The United States Of America against The People Of The United States Of America.
My heart and soul are shattered. If the current leadership of this country is the best America has to offer, then indeed we are lost and the terrorists are victorious.

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It's been Cheney all this time

here's how it looks to me... darth handled the internal, government stuff and rove handled the external, public stuff... what a team...!

think progress posts on an interview this morning with barton gellman on washington post radio... gellman is the co-author of the wapo's four-part cheney series...

GELLMAN: It’s been often speculated that 9/11 exerted a profound psychological change on the Vice President. But we did not find evidence that that’s true.

There’s a moment in the story in which we’ve got witnesses who are watching him watch the World Trade Center collapse. Everyone else in the room is groaning. And he doesn’t blink his eyes. He turns around and starts working the phones again.

And what he’s doing is he’s finding that 9/11 confirms some long-held beliefs of his. And it gives him the opportunity to press through some long-desired changes. He has not changed his views very much over the years. What has changed is he has a greater opportunity to put them into action.

it was the moment he was waiting for all his life... everything he'd done, all the philosophy of government he'd developed, all the actions he wanted to put into play, everything was just waiting for that day... you'd almost think it was simply TOO fortuitous, wouldn't you...? < adjusts tin foil hat > well, WOULDN'T you..??

from a comment on the think progress post...

Cheney did it.

What does Occam’s Razor tell you about the ODDS that NORAD would be running a series of drills on the morning of 9/11 designed specifically to simulate an attack against America involving hijacked planes flown into buildings?

What does Occam’s Razor tell you about FEMA having been prepositioned in New York for the drill - which commenced at the same moment the first tower was struck?

What does Occam’s Razor tell you about the warning sent to Israeli Nationals two hours before the first plane struck?

Ignoring everything you have seen and heard to brainwash you to the contrary in its aftermath, what are the odds that a man in a cave could beat all of the defenses of the United States of America by coincidentally timing his attack to coincide with a total shut down of NORAD?

Occam’s razor states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating, or “shaving off”, those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.

Pieces of aircraft were scattered over a five mile area in Pennsylvania.

WTC 7 - though untouched by an aircraft, fell directly into its own footprint less than two hours after its owner ordered the fire department to pull back from the structure in order to “pull it.”

5 Israeli Mossad Agents with explosives expertise were arrested for filming the destruction of the twin towers. Their film has never been made public. They failed seven polygraph tests. They were quietly deported to Israel.

Norm Mineta testified before the 9/11 Commission that he personally witnessed Cheney commanding one of his subordinates in the bunker on the morning of 9/11 to allow the approaching aircraft to strike the Pentagon uncontested.

The manuevers made by the planes that struck both the Pentagon and the second WTC tower could not possibly have been made by any first time pilot - according to aviation experts.

O C C A M ‘ S

R A Z O R

I N D E E D ! ! !

Where are the NSA Spy Satellite photos of the “757″ striking the Pentagon?

Where is the video that was shot by the Dancing Israelis arrested on 9/11?

Where is the flight manifest including Arab names on any of the flights on 9/11?

Two planes hit two buildings in New York, yet three buildings fell down straight into their own footprint.

A man said by his flight instructor not to be able to fly at all performed a perfect 270 degree corkscrew descent over the heavily fortified Pentagon as Cheney ordered the stand down of air defenses (per Norm Mineta) - and struck the target with military precision (according to the FAA controllers watching it all on their radar screens).

Where are the radar videos of that flight?

Where are the videos of that 757?

Where are the satellite images of that plane?

i've thought so many times, when the latest news delivers still more shockers about the criminals occupying the white house that maybe, at last, the walls will begin crumbling down... it would certainly seem - to me, at least - that they should have crumbled into dust long ago... maybe THIS time...?

do you suppose that barton gellman and jo becker may just turn out to be the woodward-bernstein superheroes of our age...?

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911 Questions:Ok, you asked for it.....

Ok, if you really want me to get technical.
After all, I am an Engineer.
This is a very limited excerpt from one of thousands of analyses done on the WTC collapse. I suggest you visit the whole article to see the photos,etc. Again, the is just one appendix article that recommends further analysis.
I very strongly recommend that everyone visit Scholars for 9-11 Truth and Justice

Jonathan Barnett
Ronald R. Biederman

R. D. Sisson, Jr.

CLimited Metallurgical Examination
C.1 Introduction
Two structural steel members with unusual erosion patterns were observed in the WTC debris field. The first appeared to be from WTC 7 and the second from either WTC 1 or WTC 2. Samples were taken from these beams and labeled Sample 1 and Sample 2, respectively. A metallurgic examination was conducted.

C.2 Sample 1 (From WTC 7)
Several regions in the section of the beam shown in Figures C-1 and C-2 were examined to determine microstructural changes that occurred in the A36 structural steel as a result of the events of September 11, 2001, and the subsequent fires. Although the exact location of this beam in the building was not known, the severe erosion found in several beams warranted further consideration. In this preliminary study, optical and scanning electron metallography techniques were used to examine the most severely eroded regions as exemplified in the metallurgical mount shown in Figure C-3. Evidence of a severe high temperature

Ok, are your eyes glazing yet? I happen to enjoy reading things like this. All the women in my life point this out as one of the main reasons I am currently single.
Point is, there is sulfur deposited on the melted steel. At the temperatures the steel experienced, this is highly unusual when you take it in the overall context.

[...]

The origin of the steel shown in Figure C-9 is thought to be a high-yield-strength steel removed from a column member. The steel is a high-strength low-alloy (HSLA) steel containing copper. The unusual thinning of the member is most likely due to an attack of the steel by grain boundary penetration of sulfur forming sulfides that contain both iron and copper. Figures C-10, C-11, and C-12 show the region of severe corrosion at different levels of magnification.

I think I'm done mentally waterboarding you now. I just wanted to prove the point that these studies are done by actual scientists.
Let's skip to the conclusion of this body of analysis.

[...]
Suggestions for Future Research

The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown. It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure. A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires(emphasis added).

This is my main point in this whole issue.
If we don't know technically why something happened, we don't know if it can happen again by accident or on purpose.
There is another paper that makes a very strong technical case for the type of sulfur observed being introduced by an outside substance. Oddly enough, it's the same type of sulfur deposit you get on steel when you use Thermite explosive in controlled implosions. I will let you explore that yourself and evaluate the evidence in the privacy of you own thoughts

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9/11 truth: "We are trained not to question authority and to follow it blindly even into the abyss."

Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory
by David Ray Griffin

here's an interesting book i happened to stumble across... this is the blurb from publishers weekly as it appears on amazon...

An emeritus professor of theology with no previous interest in conspiracy theories, Griffin has dedicated himself since 2003 to the "9/11 truth" movement, a group committed to "exposing the falsity of the official theory about 9/11," and this book is a thorough, highly detailed attempt to do just that. As Griffin aptly notes, "the assumption that conspiracy theories are inherently irrational" has recently taken root in American culture, making any attack on the official government record instantly dismissible, but Griffin takes to the difficult task with solid reasoning and true zeal. All but the most dogmatic readers will find Griffin's evidence-from the inconsistencies between NORAD tapes and the 9/11 Commission Report to rigorous exploration into the physics of the collapse-detailed and deeply unnerving. For instance, Griffin considers the fact that firefighters were told, five hours before the fact, that building WTC 7 was going to collapse, despite "the fact that WTC 7 was not hit by a plane, that the available photographs show no large fires, and that fire had never caused a steel-frame high-rise to collapse." Another chilling passage looks at the Pennsylvania crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 through the testimony of those first to arrive, who were unanimous in finding "no recognizable plane parts, no body parts." For anyone who doubts the government's truthfulness regarding the WTC terrorist attack, this well-researched volume will give you a trough full of ideas to chew on.

and if that doesn't pique your curiosity, check this review from a canadian-based site recently recommended to me, called the center for research on globalization...

Claims of incompetence will always remain the theme that would prevail, in order [to] justify the occurrence of 9/11. It is more benign than complicity and treason, and would disguise the military state in the flag of democracy. It is also an acceptable scenario in the minds of the fearful herds, because it would help them correlate to their own incompetence, and to the lack of control in their own lives. In addition, when a federal agency claims incompetence for its mistakes, it will receive more control, funding and resources, and will eventually expand to a bloating level in order to reduce these mistakes. Ironically, whenever an error occurs, it is usually blamed on that same bloated bureaucracy that was expanded to begin with to resolve that same problem. It is an interesting cycle, nevertheless a vicious one.

the debunking of the incompetence myth associated with 9/11 resonates strongly with me because i happen to believe there has been no incompetence in the 6 1/2 years of the bush administration... on the contrary, they have been extraordinarily successful, systematically, methodically, relentlessly pursuing their agenda of creating fear and a complaint populace, slowly erasing our constitutional freedoms, and accruing unchecked power never before seen in our country, all the while pocketing vast floods of money from lucrative contracts... and, as richard skaff, the above reviewer, says so well...

We are trained not to question authority and to follow it blindly even into the abyss. It is biblical! You don't reveal the truth and question the establishment or you will be banished from the Garden Eden and crucified!

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